Saturday, September 15, 2007

Mr Saxon Cannot Be The Master

Not too long ago in OG, someone started what I thought was a fairly reasonable and endearing little thread, encouraging the possibility of a (decently-written) multi-Doctor story. The fellow cited as evidence for the possibility of this, the fact that the production team and people on OG had firmly denied the possibility of so many things in the past that had since happened: companions from the old series would never appear, the Cybermen would never be brought back, we'd never get flashback scenes to Gallifrey and, the big one, the Master would never ever ever, never ever ever be brought back. And, of course, all of this has happened.

However, this thread was swamped in the miserable po-faced killjoys that OG breeds like oh-so-many rats. Yes, the vegetarian Englishman demographic of argumentative arseholes who like nothing better than to tear down someone who's high on life. They barged in and labelled the original poster a complete moron, because NOBODY AT ALL (in their words) had argued these points. To someone with an actual memory (such as myself) this raises an eyebrow or two, because the OPer was right. Not only had all of those things been dismissed as impossible, many had official statements from the production office claiming that they wouldn't happen. In fact, I would wager the same arseholes bringing the multi-Doctor dreamer down, were some of those that screamed the loudest that the Master wouldn't come back. (They're certainly screaming loudly against the Rani now - poor Rani, what did she do?)

I think the retarded things that fans say, with an undue amount of forcefulness and imagined authority, should be kept for posterity, and to remind people that, fuck yes, there can be a multi-Doctor story someday.

So now I present to you... OLD QUOTES FROM WIKIPEDIA TALK PAGES!!

Has anyone else noticed that the splitting of the atom has been referenced three times so far in series 3?

Okay, a minor one, but from people speculating about story arcs. Another one cited was the INCREDIBLE repetition of the phrase "I'm sorry... I'm so sorry.."

Bad Wolf has fucked fandom over terribly...


The BBCi trailer apparently (I managed to miss it :( ) features a scene of a giant crab (what the Macra look like in Gridlock) next to what looks like the deaging device from The Lazerus Experiment. If it is the Macra, and the deaging device, the scene could feasibly be from this episode, as this episode is set in the same time as The Lazerus Experiment.

Yep. Some people were rumouring that the Macra will be the surprise menace in Utopia. After appearing in Gridlock. Though the guy was also confused enough to think the episode was on 21st Century Earth...

I wonder if it's worth mentioning in the article that, logically, the professor can't regenerate into Mr Saxon, since Mr Saxon's campaign to be PM is already underway?

Some people are astonishingly unable to realise, even after forty years, that the show is about time travel...


The piece d'resistance, however, is Levinesque in its authority. My favourite quote of the year:

Mr Saxon cannot be the master. He died, like all time lords the master can only regenerate 13 times. That is why the master was fighting with him all the time because the master wanted to take his regeneration energy. And for all of those people who go "there's only been six masters" the first official master viewed on our television was the penelutimate incartion. The only point of the master in the doctor who movie possessed a human body not another time lord so only had one, let alone he was thrown into the eye and obliterated. So this debate isn't just about whether its him or not it's what shows should be used in conpleting a full doctor who enclopidia/wiki. And the anagram thing, the only reason torchwood was an anagram link is when russell t (blessed is his name) when doing audio stuff was playing around with anagrams he came up with torchwood. Is Bad Wolf an anagram i think not so ha

WARNING: Article becomes ludicrously nerdy from this point onwards...

Incidentally, on the subject of wikipedia madness, I had been unaware before seeing the page that "Mister Saxon" is an anagram of "Master No. Six" Fair enough... but that means there were five previous Masters in the classic series... who could they be?

If you answered Roger Delgado, Peter Pratt, Geoffrey Beevers, Anthony Ainley and Eric Roberts (shudder) then you were correct. BUT not to Wikipedia - they insist that since Beevers was playing the same incarnation as Pratt, he is thus as canon as Richard Hurdnall. *Gasp* But that leaves one incarnation short.. whom do they state fills that space?

Anyone with an embarassingly extensive knowledge of the show will now be cringing or weeping at the patheticness of these souls and crying out "NOT FUCKING GORDON TIPPLE?!?"

Yes. Fucking Gordon Tipple. Or "the guy who you can see silhouetted for literally two seconds at the beginning of the TVM". That guy who could just be a cheap CGI effect for all that it matters. He is, without a doubt, the single-most obscure person involved in Doctor Who - the guy who changed the water in Nabil Shaban's tank probably gets more recognition.

So in short, Wikipedian Whovians are unbelievably desperate to show off their knowledge of obscurities in the show, at the expense of Geoffrey Beevers, who actually had dialogue and delivered it well.

(Incidentally, I think if anything neither Beevers or Tipple count to make the six Masters, and that the missing one is the Derek Jacobi incarnation. That only makes sense, surely)

3 comments:

Youth of Australia said...

to remind people that, fuck yes, there can be a multi-Doctor story someday.
I can confirm or deny this.

If you want to be spoiled either way.

Frankly, I'm going to have to do the The Master Is The War Chief blogspot...

Jared "No Nickname" Hansen said...


I can confirm or deny this.

If you want to be spoiled either way.


NO SPOILAZ!!!

Though the fact you can offer suggests what you might say...

Frankly, I'm going to have to do the The Master Is The War Chief blogspot...

I thought about mentioning Edward Brayshaw in the post... but that's a bit on the pedantic side, surely?

For better or worse, he isn't really accepted as an incarnation of The Master (even though he probably is) because he's never named as such on screen. That's the only level I look at it on.

Though I have to say that I find it truly bizarre that the insane ramblings of Terrance Dicks in one of the lamest DW novels ever is accepted as canon by so many in fandom, when a massive number of people on OG write-off the entire BF and books ranges as non-canonical.

Okay, Terrance Dicks worked on the show... so did/have David Banks, Barry Letts, Andrew Cartmel, Marc Platt, Russell T. Davies, Mark Gatiss and Paul Cornell. Why aren't their books the gospel that Exodus is taken to be?

Youth of Australia said...

NO SPOILAZ!!!
None.

Of course, if there was one, it would rip me off, so I've probably already spoiled it.

Though the fact you can offer suggests what you might say...
Mwahahaha.

I thought about mentioning Edward Brayshaw in the post... but that's a bit on the pedantic side, surely? For better or worse, he isn't really accepted as an incarnation of The Master (even though he probably is) because he's never named as such on screen. That's the only level I look at it on.

Your blog, dude, your rules.

Though I have to say that I find it truly bizarre that the insane ramblings of Terrance Dicks in one of the lamest DW novels ever is accepted as canon by so many in fandom, when a massive number of people on OG write-off the entire BF and books ranges as non-canonical.

Okay, Terrance Dicks worked on the show... so did/have David Banks, Barry Letts, Andrew Cartmel, Marc Platt, Russell T. Davies, Mark Gatiss and Paul Cornell. Why aren't their books the gospel that Exodus is taken to be?


Gospel? Hah!

Look, if people say "War Chief is not the Master" then fair enough, since there is absolutely NO evidence in TV or audio that they are the same. Or different.

But if they use Exodus as evidence... Jesus Christ! What a load of bollocks!

All I say is, if Terror of the Autons had been five minutes longer, Holmesy would have left no fucking doubt who the bearded psycho was.