Wednesday, October 31, 2007

The Doctor 'inheriting' accents Tom Foolery-McLarkey

With the Tenth Doctor saying in the CiN special that he got his new Estuary accent from Rose during the regeneration, this seems to have opened up a new avenue of particularly odd thinking - with PMG's Doctor being given a Northern companion in the BBC7 series to explain Eccleston's Northern accent.

I was then thinking - why? Because, when you look back, it doesn't gel with the Doctor's previous regenerations...

1. Troughton should have spoken with a rough, seaman lingo. (Oddly enough, this could have become true if the character had been a 'Sinbad style pirate captain', as was seriously brain-stormed..)

2. Pertwee should have been Scottish, being surrounded for almost all of his prior incarnation with Mr James Robert McCrimmon - although Pertwee's RP accent could [I]maybe[/I] have come from Bernard Horsfall...

3. Tom Baker should have used a mildly-offensive cod-Tibetan accent after K'Anpo helped him through the regeneration. (Though, if you're desperate to ret-con the new trend, you could say he was influenced by The Brig's dulcet baritone...)

4. Peter Davison... well, take your pick of whiny, nasal voices.

5. Colin Baker, depending on whether the system relies on proximity at regeneration or cumulative time spent with a companion, should have spoken with either an Australian or American accent.

6. Sylvester McCoy should have had a voice that would make you want to punch in your telly. (this one's arguable..)

7. Paul McGann should have been American and disgustingly corny.

So, in short, the madness about the Doctor borrowing his vocal style of anyone with an equity standing around when he carks it, makes no sense whatsoever.

What this makes me ponder, though, is why on Earth BF created Lucie to go along with this theory. And no, I'm not bringing this up just because I've only mentioned the BBC7 audios a very small handfull of times and yet have managed to squeeze in some sort of reference to wanting to see Lucie killed brutally very soon. But it doesn't help.

The reference to the Doctor grabbing ahold of Rose's mockney, of course, originates from RTD being thoughtlessly pressured into a state of needing to write a CiN that was quite impossible to do sensibly.

1. Christopher Eccleston had burnt his bridges. Literally. He poured petrol along the entire London bridge and set it alight. He's a fucking nutter!

2. The new Doctor hadn't been introduced. All anyone knew was that he had new teeth, gurned, and played the lamest badguy ever in Harry Potter.

(If you missed it, here it is again:

"Give us a name, Karkaroff!"
"Erm... how about that tall guy who just walked in?"
"OH FUCK!"
*Tries to run away, fails*)

3. The Christmas Invasion started right after The Parting of the Ways. Like STRAIGHT after. Much less ambiguity than the end of The War Games (Which also had fuck all)

In addition to all this continuity bullshit that RTD had to work around, there's the fact that he wouldn't even be paid for this - y'know, charity stuff. So, really, he did what he could with a minimum of headache-inducing thought to continuity sensitivity - had the Doctor talk shit for five minutes.

Thus, the reason the Doctor says he got his accent from Rose, is precisely the same reason the Doctor developed acute psychic powers that allowed him to divine that Jack was alive and well, and delusions that made him think that a pampered, playboy con artist would be interested in/useful for rebuilding the Earth. Because it helped fill a page in the half hour or so RTD would have taken to write the stuff.

It's a worrying sign, though - is this the new path for BF? Explaining/expanding on every throw away line in the New Series that ain't quite right? If so - gawd help us.

6 comments:

Youth of Australia said...

With the Tenth Doctor saying in the CiN special that he got his new Estuary accent from Rose during the regeneration
...which he doesn't. Mickey suggests he does in the infamous bedroom scene cut from TCI.

I was then thinking - why?
Cause his regenerations have been knackered after Androzani...

Because, when you look back, it doesn't gel with the Doctor's previous regenerations...

1. Troughton should have spoken with a rough, seaman lingo. (Oddly enough, this could have become true if the character had been a 'Sinbad style pirate captain', as was seriously brain-stormed..)
Why not the poshness of Polly? Clearly they blended and his new accent was muddled both.

2. Pertwee should have been Scottish, being surrounded for almost all of his prior incarnation with Mr James Robert McCrimmon - although Pertwee's RP accent could [I]maybe[/I] have come from Bernard Horsfall...
But the Time Lords muck about with his regeneration, so he becomes the Doctor they can use - angry, arrogant, convinced of his superiority...

3. Tom Baker should have used a mildly-offensive cod-Tibetan accent after K'Anpo helped him through the regeneration. (Though, if you're desperate to ret-con the new trend, you could say he was influenced by The Brig's dulcet baritone...)
Why? The whole idea is that the new Doctor takes the accent of someone he spent a lot of time with - not just Rose, but Mickey, Jackie and the Powell estate. He didn't spend enough time with Kanpo to imprint, but look at the scenes were he parrot fashions with Harry Sullivan...

4. Peter Davison... well, take your pick of whiny, nasal voices.
The Watcher had no voice.

5. Colin Baker, depending on whether the system relies on proximity at regeneration or cumulative time spent with a companion, should have spoken with either an Australian or American accent.
He actually has an Egyptian accent from Erimem.

6. Sylvester McCoy should have had a voice that would make you want to punch in your telly. (this one's arguable..)
Clearly it's delayed reaction from Jamie.

7. Paul McGann should have been American and disgustingly corny.
Ah, no, he's Liverpudlian because the 7th Doctor's last companion was Hex, who was from Liverpool.

So, in short, the madness about the Doctor borrowing his vocal style of anyone with an equity standing around when he carks it, makes no sense whatsoever.
Unless we assume that it only applies from the Seventh Doctor onwards.

What this makes me ponder, though, is why on Earth BF created Lucie to go along with this theory.
It's Sheridan Smith's natural accent. Lucie wasn't designed as Northern, just added to suit her voice.

In fact, her use of "Fantastic!" is more foreshadowy than her accent, mind you the Eighth Doctor says that a lot on his own...

And no, I'm not bringing this up just because I've only mentioned the BBC7 audios a very small handfull of times and yet have managed to squeeze in some sort of reference to wanting to see Lucie killed brutally very soon. But it doesn't help.
She's not so bad in No More Lies, but I'm struggling to find a positive on that story...

The reference to the Doctor grabbing ahold of Rose's mockney, of course, originates from RTD being thoughtlessly pressured into a state of needing to write a CiN that was quite impossible to do sensibly.
No, that was in The Christmas Invasion, which had lots of scenes cut from it because the CIN special answered them.

That's why Rose breaking down in sobs when she confesses to Jackie that it's HER fault the Doctor died, the Doctor's rant about why they didn't arrive at Barcelona, Mickey asking where Jack is, and the final scene where Rose looks at the photo of the Ninth Doctor and says "I miss him," and the Tenth Doctor says, "Me too" all went.


(If you missed it, here it is *Tries to run away, fails*)
And in his third and last scene... he practically spoofs the regeneration! He all but says, "Ooh, new teeth"...

So, really, he did what he could with a minimum of headache-inducing thought to continuity sensitivity - had the Doctor talk shit for five minutes.
Bollocks! Three minutes, one minute gurning, and the 'prove you're the Doctor' scene!

Thus, the reason the Doctor says he got his accent from Rose, is precisely the same reason the Doctor developed acute psychic powers that allowed him to divine that Jack was alive and well, and delusions that made him think that a pampered, playboy con artist would be interested in/useful for rebuilding the Earth. Because it helped fill a page in the half hour or so RTD would have taken to write the stuff.
No... he lies to Rose so they don't go looking for him (he's immortal), which would be the main thrust of The Satan Pit where they bump into Jack working for Torchwood.

You never noticed the way the Doctor and 'Captain Zach' get on so well?

It's a worrying sign, though - is this the new path for BF? Explaining/expanding on every throw away line in the New Series that ain't quite right? If so - gawd help us.
I think you're freaking out a bit, dude.

According to wikipedia, RTD wanted the regeneration to happen in the comic strip until policy intervened, so Destrii the Fish was the Eighth Doctor's companion. And she spoke American.

The answer to the accent problem is simple. When the Doctor sucked out the time vortex, he took her accent with him.

Simple as.

Youth of Australia said...

Sorry if I'm touchy, but I just lost my CD I spent all day getting, PLUS wading through pages of Spara rhetoric...

Jared "No Nickname" Hansen said...

Nah, I just haven't been online.

To paraphrase Avon - "My mistake was relying on other people"

See, I've never actually seen Pudsey Cutaway, just have other fan's descriptions to go off. And it turns out they might have seen it either.

Good thing I didn't post this on OG...

No... he lies to Rose so they don't go looking for him

Yeah, but he shouldn't even know Jack was alive. And as lies go, come on, that's pretty shithouse.

Also, in your arguments against mine you curiously change tack - you say Tom Baker wouldn't have K'Anpo because he just triggered the regen... but then you argue the Watcher for Davison when it plays a near-identical role! And, of course, the Watcher is the future Doctor so will sound exactly the same as Davison is destined to sound. HOBviously.

Also, I refuse to believe that a woman as hot as Sheridan Smith can seriously sound like that in real life. She has to be playing that up...

Youth of Australia said...

To paraphrase Avon - "My mistake was relying on other people"
See, I've never actually seen Pudsey Cutaway, just have other fan's descriptions to go off. And it turns out they might have seen it either.

Oh... You want a copy?

It's really quite good.

Yeah, but he shouldn't even know Jack was alive.
But he does. Rose says "I bring life!" and resurrects Jack and the Doctor loses his rag, screaming "You can't control life and death!"

Utopia confirms that's what he was talking about. He sensed Jack being resurrected.

And as lies go, come on, that's pretty shithouse.
Yes, but... well... you need to see it to get it. The Doctor suddenly convulses in agony and Rose suggests they try and find Jack and get his help. The Doctor, in pain, growls, "He's BUSY! Got plenty to do, rebuilding the Earth..." in a real, "so SHUT UP about him you stupid bitch!" way.

It works in context, but I admit, wouldn't have completely satisfied Rose - but Series 2 is fucked up. We know this.

Also, in your arguments against mine you curiously change tack -
Yes, well I'm tired.

you say Tom Baker wouldn't have K'Anpo because he just triggered the regen... but then you argue the Watcher for Davison when it plays a near-identical role!
Ah, but K'Anpo just kickstarts the regeneration, the Watcher fuses in with the Doctor. It's similar, but not identical.

Besides, the WHOLE point of 'inheriting accents' is the Doctor has to spend a lot of time with someone to pick up the accent. He doesn't spend enough time with K'Anpo...

And, of course, the Watcher is the future Doctor so will sound exactly the same as Davison is destined to sound. HOBviously.
Well, Circular Time says so...

Also, I refuse to believe that a woman as hot as Sheridan Smith can seriously sound like that in real life.
I cannot judge. I only say what the producers say.

She has to be playing that up...
Hope so... I REALLY hope so...

Youth of Australia said...

Oh, and if you can't get it on youtube, here is a transcript.

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